[personal profile] teabee1000
Actually I require a GOOD plot with my porn and not just interchangeable insert tab A in slot B shenanigans that could be anyone, anywhere.

This is brought to you by searching out stories last night for my various latest obsessions (and we all know I'm president of Weird Shippers Anon) and finding a lot of Tab A/Slot B stories which had nothing to do with the actually characters which is irritating because the reason (I would assume) one writes fan fic or original fic is because we like the characters and we want to progress them to the booty call with some sort of intelligent reasoning and keeping in characterization or SOMETHING. Because why else would you write about these particular people if you didn't GET them and...and...


And this isn't about bad writing versus good writing. Honest. Sometimes bad execution of a good idea is better than good execution of Tab A/Slot B shenanigans.

Part of this is also some criticism I've gotten about my novels in where there isn't enough sex. And I get that - I am not an overly porny person. I like it! I write it! But I find it exhausting to imagine writing a novel with thirty scenes of sex. Hell, I wrote RPG set in a SEX CLUB and my porn output was still faaaaaaar less than other people. (Then again I also wrote married het in that same game so clearly I don't follow the piper too well.)

I can't remember if I had a point when I started this...

What is YOUR two cents about plot and porning and amount of a porning? Does one good love scene trump five? Extra points for outrambling me...

Date: 2009-09-22 03:07 pm (UTC)
poisontaster: Screencap of Moana, leaning into the wind (Dean Thinking)
From: [personal profile] poisontaster
I'm going to be a total punk and say: "It's all situational."

There are times that I want stories that are nothing but down and dirty porn. I want LOTS of porn. I want long, drawn out, pages and pages of porn. And anything else is extraneous. In fact, in those moods, I may skim or skip the plot, just to get down to the porn. And in those moods, I'm likely to feel disappointed in those authors who don't just GO THERE.

At other times, I'm not really overly chuffed about the porn--if it even exists, whether it's fade to black, etc--because the plot is either so engrossing/good or if I'm just in a mood for relationshippiness and the smut is just icing on the cake.

Josh Lanyon is a good example of that. I actually find his sex scenes to be a) very short/unsatisfying and b) with a lot of verbiage that I find DISTINCTLY unsexy (i.e. see 'crammed') but the relationships he builds are so interesting and brainkinky to me that I am willing to entirely overlook his inability to bring the smut, as it were.

I mean, at the end of the day,if you ask me what I MOST prefer, I will bypass physical porn for emotional porn every day of the week. Except those days in which I may or may not be ovulating. :D

Date: 2009-09-22 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
Emotional porn - I like that. LOL

When you're reading the pages and pages of porn, do you ever notice a lack of characterization or are those not the "glasses" you're wearing at that moment? I think when I'm in that mood, I need anonoporn - characters I could care less about that are just vessels for the tabbing and slotting. LOL

Hell porn when you're ovulating shouldn't even include NAMES. ;)

Date: 2009-09-22 03:19 pm (UTC)
poisontaster: (All Tied Up)
From: [personal profile] poisontaster
Yeah, I think when I'm in that mood, characterization, names...I'm not overly concerned about it (though I don't know I ever TOTALLY turn it off, so much as I just don't CARE). But in any other mood, characterization is absolutely paramount and I don't really like or read fic/books otherwise where the characters could be just anyone.

Date: 2009-09-22 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
Can writers ever turn off their editor brains? LOL

Date: 2009-09-22 03:22 pm (UTC)
poisontaster: (JDM Heh)
From: [personal profile] poisontaster
Definitely not. But we can sometimes turn the volume down to low. :D

Date: 2009-09-22 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slytherinblack.livejournal.com
I think you kind of hit on why I have trouble with RPS AUs. The characterization can be kept, there, I suppose, but I guess I just don't have enough imagination. XD But it tends to make me go "what's the point? If I want to imagine my hot actors fucking, I want to imagine that it's actually happening. At the point where the characters have been transported to an ancient magic kingdom I feel like you could just write an original story. Although I'm also fairly meh about FPS AUs; there still has to be some connection to the original story in the plotlines for it to work for me. So. Yes, that's more my 2 cents on AUs than porn.

Date: 2009-09-22 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
Oh yes, those are excellent points. LOL Now, I'm never going to turn down amnesia or rent boy fics, whatever the genre *cough* but absolutely. Unless you are telling me another aspect of the story and characterization by placing Sam and Dean in outer space, why bother? ;)

Although I think, from a writing pov, that fan fic is "safer" for some people and they use the characters from elsewhere because they don't feel their original stuff would be as good. Which is a whole 'nother can of worms.

Date: 2009-09-22 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azewewish.livejournal.com
I think it depends on the story. Everything should serve the story. If you're writing a fic where the characters have that sort of relationship that needs to be explored via graphic sex, then you write the graphic sex. If the characters' arcs would be better served by glossing or FTB, then you do that. But it has to be about the characters & has to show me something new about them, or what's the point? I mean, I love porn as much as the next gal, but if I'm going to invest the time to read your writing, then I'm in it for the characters & story. If I want Tab A/Slot B porn, that's what Blue Boy & Penthouse Forum are for. *g*

Date: 2009-09-22 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
I also think sometimes the heat factor is upped when the characterization is still there, even amongst the sticky details. ;) There are things I wouldn't bother to read or watch as "porn" (some kink comes to mind) works perfectly when the writer is using it as a vehicle or metaphor in the story. And it can be scaldingly good. lol

Date: 2009-09-22 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topaz119.livejournal.com
I want what fits with the characters. I want to know why they're having sex, and how the sex fits with their relationship, and how it's going to affect what happens the next day, whether it's the first time they've ever touched each other or ten years into the relationship and thinking they should be bored by now, but hey, it's really still a good thing.

Date: 2009-09-23 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
Overthinking romantics unite!!!! ;)

I realized last night that even my PWP need chemistry. And maybe that's what helps me - the plot gives a couple chemistry, even for a hookup!

Date: 2009-09-23 04:34 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] junebugged.livejournal.com
I like my porn to have plot. And not just a "Hey I'm a cop who pulled you over and you've been a very bad boy so let's get to the fuckin'" plot. I want PLOT. Interest. Friendship. Romance. Dorkitude. Miserable colds. Chicken Soup. Kink. Giggling. Falling asleep on the couch watching tv.
I mean, if I wanted tons of porn with very little dialogue that moves the characters' relationship along, then I figure I can always rent a movie or few for that.
The journey is half the fun of getting to a destination, if that makes any sense. I don't know, I'm a bit delirious with anger at the lead the Yanks are blowing right now.

Also... this is the reason I loved our boys so much...

Date: 2009-09-23 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjournal.livejournal.com
I'm definitely a "journey" person like you; I like everything before the falling into bed and the stuff that happens after. :) I like details and memories and little things. *happy sigh*

And yay, they won anyway! woot, playoffs!



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